Rick van de Poll: Oh yeah absolutely. Caller: I do. So I would put this in the category of sort of like shark attacks right. The engineers Dan Colgan our senior producer is Allan Grimm. Yes. Thanks for your call. So they're not afraid of humans and they'll show up like a regular housecat. And it's not really strong. I'm Peter Biello. And just one more note about this danger question when even when you look at the states that have extended populations stable populations of mountain lions attacks are relatively rare. New Hampshire Fish and Game Department says there's no proof. Peter Biello: And that will make identification for a layperson rather difficult. You need you need either a really good photograph or you need you know fresh scat that can be sent to a lab out West that can they can be identified there. Ive received pictures of dogs at odd angles, says Tate. They sent he sent his scent those two samples with his to Wyoming an unfortunate Fish and Game Commission there did not get a positive read on it but send it back to Central Michigan University where they did a nuclear micro satellite DNA analysis and found no significant difference between that scat and other scats that were tested from the Rocky Mountain region. Mountain Lion | Squam Lakes Natural Science Center Why do people keep seeing mountain lions (which aren't here) but not Peter Biello: So a little bit of nostalgia maybe for it for a better world embodied in the mountain lion. The exchange is a production of New Hampshire Public Radio. The views expressed in this program are those of the individuals and not those of an HP are its board of trustees or its underwriters. N.H.'s Fish and Game department says there's no proof. The 17-year-old Kiger mustang mare was born in Bend, Oregon, said Hodskins, who got her . Are these big cats back?Subscribe to WMUR on YouTube now for more: http://bit.ly/1lOjX9CGet more Manchester news: http://wmur.comLike us: http://facebook.com. Patrick Tate: I've had hunters hang deer carcasses forbidding wildlife entries. We'll hear more about the mountain lions impact and the role it plays in the ecosystem. We're gonna cue you up and bring into the program listeners in just a moment but I want to ask about the role that Mountain Lions play in the ecosystem we've been talking a lot about mountain lions traveling and being sort of hard to track as they move. Patrick Tate: Martin Like what about Panther Panther saying animals same animal and like a bit of trivia Guinness Book of World Records says the animal with the most names is in English alone they're supposedly 40 names for Mount lion. Patrick Tate: Nice talk to you too. I just saw the head and the tail that was leaving. List of mountains of New Hampshire - Wikipedia 10 things to do in NH this weekend: Dartmouth Dance, Hamilton De Holanda & more, Turkish restaurant in the Upper Valley aims to help those affected by recent earthquakes, RFK Jr. tells NH crowd hes considering a presidential run, Epping woman pleads guilty to threatening Michigan election official in 2020. Patrick Tate New Hampshire Fish and Game Wildlife Biologist thanks very much for being here this morning really appreciate it. Its impossible to say, but I think the odds are pretty good that some of these sightings are legit. We'll push great photos to the front page. You're on the air. There is some information that suggests that it spent a portion of its time in Massachusetts near the Claiborne reservoir. But if you do if you think you're looking at a wild Puma their tail is very thick and especially in the winter is very thick and ponderous looking. Thank you. So maybe a good pet for you but not for your neighbor if you just stop by unannounced. The book MAMMAL TRACKS & SIGN by Mark Elbroch has pictures of mountain lion scat found at a multiple beaver kill. Peter Biello: Well yeah. Peter Biello: Hmm. That's next time on one day. So what a neat experience. What do you think that. Have you heard stories do you have questions about the mountain line. NH Fish and Game Wildlife Biologist Patrick Tate reports that so far, mountain lion reports accompanied byphotographs have been misidentified bobcats or housecats, or pictures of mountain lions taken from the Internet and reported as being recorded in New Hampshire. Tonight, Sean McDonald investigates,. By Eric Orff. And I just said I saw I saw they from behind the shoulder all the way past the long tail. Peter Biello: This is NHK PR Good morning and HP are summer car raffle is back and now's the time to get your early bird tickets. Monday, December 5th: Mountain Lions in New Hampshire? Part II - WMUR So so in 2011 a mountain lion was killed in a car accident in Connecticut a car hit a mountain lion and killed it. Some argue that it's a leap of faith. Let us know your story and share your photos! Peter Biello: Well Karl Jarvis a former reporter for The King's son Nile thank you very much for for calling in and sharing your perspective and to his point Patrick T. I mean yes we haven't met the scientific burden of proof here in New Hampshire as far as physical evidence is is concerned but is there room at Fish and Game For A kind of an informal nod to all of the people who have somehow convinced themselves and possibly some others that yeah there may be occasional sightings here. Now Bobcat is a completely different species. Thank you. NH Wildlife News and Info | NH Wildlife As I tried to get a picture of it so there was it was definitely we looked up all the pictures and it was definitely not a bobcat or anything else being it looked just like a mountain lion. Information online ad an age student loans dawg. You know one of the the biggest questions I have about that is it points to how much we don't know and if in fact we don't know enough. It's listed as population of least concern. So this whole illegal pet trade black market pro trade thing does does exist in a situation like that can happen. Pat humans people leave deer carcasses up in trees. We had six copies printed out each. Information that weed family automotive dot com sunny for today high temperatures low to mid 80s clear tonight overnight lows in the 50s tomorrow sunny highs in the upper 80s. Peter Biello: So if they were female mountain lions here they would be more males just because that's what they're looking for. Peter Biello: Ok. But having read a bit of information about his cougar there are a darker subspecies. Less successful males roam further. and territorial animals are much more inclined to create a problem with passer bys than dispersing animals in fact I'd be totally shocked if a dispersal would encounter with a human purposefully unless they had already had some type of training to do so. Is there something particularly hospitable about New Hampshire Forests that make them want to come here. Since 1917, Lions clubs have offered people the opportunity to give something back to their communities. We did a short segment about mountain lion sightings earlier this year and and after which I was sent a photo and also a video recording that was mostly just audio because it was so dark the photo just a quick reverse Google image search you can put images online and see where else where else they've been posted revealed that the photo had been taking out taken out in Wyoming and has been used you know hundreds of times to claim and the person who sent it to me said it had been taken New Hampshire. And the second question is this a behavior mountain lions exhibit. Well thanks for sharing. We want answers. GAP MOUNTAIN LIONS CLUB Fitzwilliam, New Hampshire (USA) District 44-N . So for our scientists to do the lumping and whatnot. What's going on. Infinite Scroll Enabled. Sam Evans-Brown: So I just had two thoughts which is that we hear a lot of these stories and all of us here have heard these stories. Rick van de Poll: Rick your thoughts. Peter Biello: Sam I wanted to ask you a little bit about that first and then turn to Patrick Tate efficient game. You treat it as if it's a sincere situation. Patrick Tate: It became a very interesting investigation over time because it started becoming. Now that to me seemed to indicate that they had done the secondary workup that in my opinion proved the existence of probably a disperse or possibly from South Dakota like the one in 2011. I came to a stop and it was and I've seen a lot of bobcats in my time and I just came to a stop it was just sort of confused about what I was seeing. Right. So I think the point that I just want to get across is that there is a very strong sense this here in the and not region that there is that there is some sort of mountain lion population how large it is how extensive it is. She was having a garden party on her back porch and everybody in the party saw this mountain lion across the field down below the porch. There wasn't a distinct subspecies the North American mountain lion is all is all one species and then you can find a genetically distinct South American subspecies. OK. Get your tickets today and one for fifty dollars or six for 150 at NH PR and board. Patrick Tate: So one thing I'd say is DNA would definitely identify an animal animal's Mark line or not. And then just up behind it you know at about 11 o'clock on one side and whatever that would be on the other side it's black. But also I think it proves the opposite point which is that sometimes they're pretty secretive because all the way from Minnesota where the where was the first time was picked up on a game camera to New York. Oh you saw him online. Peter Biello: So Patrick today Fish and Game no downward pressure on you to deny the existence at all costs of mountain lions here in New Hampshire. Wildlife biologist breaks down mountain lion sightings in CT | New The American Lion The Saber tooth Tiger and this was the one that survived. By, March 2023 Fund Drive Rules and Regulations, Persons with disabilities who need assistance accessing NHPR's FCC public files, please contact us at publicfile@nhpr.org. Fish and Game then deny the evidence. I mean it wasn't your idea. Sam Evans-Brown has been working for New Hampshire Public Radio since 2010, when he began as a freelancer. The nonbelievers are going to say Show us your evidence and show us prove this to us. Mountain Lions | Wildlife | New Hampshire Fish and Game Department Sam Evans Brown. I mean there was this one lady I remember and tough tomorrow. Me Im willing to believe its possible that there are some out there. Mountain Lions in New Hampshire-Fact or Fiction - YouTube Mountain lions remain an enigmatic animal for residents of New Hampshire, with New Hampshire Fish and Game reporting three to five sightings per week. You know perhaps poke around where you saw it and see if you can find a track. Peter Biello: And then it ran away okay. Why are there so many false positives? So Pat you field a lot of calls about people seeing or reportedly seeing mountain lions. Love hearing these stories. From involving members in projects as local as cleaning up an area park or as far-reaching as bringing sight to the world's blind, Lions clubs have always . So hard to know hard to refute if there's no interest in making up a story which many people of course do then I would respond the same way as Pat did. If you missed part of today's program listen to the exchange. John is calling from Bennington. WMUR NH Chronicle Mountain Lions in NH Part I and Part II. Patrick Tate: Well. Ecosystem Management Consultants of New England, Ask Sam, and recently fielded question about mountain lions, 10 things to do in NH this weekend: Dartmouth Dance, Hamilton De Holanda & more, Turkish restaurant in the Upper Valley aims to help those affected by recent earthquakes, RFK Jr. tells NH crowd hes considering a presidential run, Epping woman pleads guilty to threatening Michigan election official in 2020, We also hear excerpts from an interview with, Read about the most recent cougar "sightings". Mountain Lions | Wildlife | New Hampshire Fish and Game Department So what those ranges. Caller: I cannot recall or see the tail in my in my image of it. Sandy Hodskins, owner of West Meadow Farm in Bradford, New Hampshire, took time from shoveling Wednesday to enjoy the snow with her horse, West Wind. We're not in the woods. That's what we're seeing is dispersing mountain lions from the West who are just making their way through. But on the other side of that coin there is this sense that there have been so many sightings locally and you guys Patrick you might recall the name the Wyndham McCracken she kind of turned herself into a local authority off authorities the right word but she was very dedicated to this. John if you're still on the line here I was going to I don't. Think you've seen a mountain lion. Mountain Lions in New Hampshire-Fact or Fiction 3,207 views Jul 31, 2019 78 Dislike Share Save New Hampshire Fish and Wildlife 634 subscribers During my thirty-one career at the New. And you know it's rather interesting because certainly there are those you as a case of mistaken identity or they wanted to see something that perhaps they actually didn't. Peter Biello: They make great mascots at least. Patrick Tate: It's wow interesting that you brought this up because I've had people report I saw cardamom. And what was really remarkable about the whole thing was I was maybe a half mile down on all buildings. Do you want to see real, living mountain lions that do exist in New Hampshire. On Oct. 10, he gave a slide talk called "Wild Cats of New Hampshire," which included the bobcat and the lynx. So there's even debate about that very subject. Peter Biello: Let's go to Mike in Epping. It all used to be based on measurable physical traits color, skull size, paw size, etc but now its based on whether an animal can be shown to be genetically distinct from others. I'm Peter B yellow. The number 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7 so promised a discussion about conspiracy theories. Some of the reports that I looked into that were actually on file at the local fish and game office were even from people who did not live locally. Peter Biello: Mm hmm. Well let's hear from from Sue Morse again science director for the organization keeping track. There's just one subspecies of North American mountain lion. Peter Biello: Listeners give us a call if you have a question or a story of a sighting 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7. SUE Morse naturalist and science director for the organization keeping track. Patrick Tate: Yes. Sam Evans-Brown: Well and I think and the last takeaway here is everyone I think probably agrees that any possible sightings that have been seen. Patrick Tate: In theory it's a passing ball of a court and it goes wherever the bottom Ball wants to go. Despite numerous reports, the NH Fish and Game Department continues to have no physical evidence of mountain lion presence in the state. Peter Biello: Rick I believe you did mention that that they do leave carcasses up in the tree from time to time but are there any other species known in New Hampshire to do this on a regular basis. Peter Biello: Yeah well what do you think Pat is. They sent it already. And I think this is a really interesting story for a couple of reasons one is that it proves what Pat was saying which that basically from New York state where its traces was really picked up on a game camera around Lake George all the way down to Connecticut there was numerous. Kyle I think about Rick Tate wants to jump in here. So what I'm getting back is the verifying and confirming of evidence what that was not there. So so they're just a very resilient species and they're pretty they're pretty neat. So yeah as far as wildlife species that put deer and trees know there aren't any others that I know of that put deer in trees just just humans might be responsible for that. Residents believe cougars still roam New Hampshire's forests And so I just wanted to share my share my experience with you guys and it was pretty awesome to see if you get to see one albeit it was in the brush. I saw the tail end of a literally from behind the shoulder The Long Tail mountain lion crossing the highway going from Password to often Village downtown. All they think it traveled north through Canada up you know crossed across the Great Lakes and then and then down again through New York State. We are the second most-forested state in the country, and those forests can be impenetrable snarls (part of why the Northeast is notoriously a difficult place to hunt deer), and while there are people in a lot of those woods, because the cats have been absent for a few generations now, most of those people dont know what a cougar scrape or latrine look and smell like. And a lot of people around the county airport have seen a lot of pilots coming in said they saw huge. Peter Biello: Mm hmm. The second story window through about 30 feet away from it. Okay. And so far we have not had any positive mark lion scats or any DNA. 50 feet above the most. The big cat has been extinct here since the mid-1800s. Anyways after three weeks I finally found the image on line on a field and stream photo contest and the explanation in the end was the person that set the camera out with another individual and they believed that someone who knew of the camera location saw the similarities put the can't picture on their SD card so it looked like that camera recorded the image that is. The Connecticut Mountain Lion is the best documented wild Mountain Lion in New England. Here she is talking about how to identify a mountain lion. Many people in New Hampshire have claimed to have seen mountain lions. N.H. Residents Report Mountain Lion Sighting - NECN Listeners give us a call if you'd like. The supervisor that hired me in the game division in October of 1978 passed on to me this whole big folder of mountain lion information and sightings going back probably a couple decades. So when we hear mountain lion there's also cougar there's wild cat there's Bobcat which is not a mountain lion maybe Patrick could you sort of spell out the different terms which are synonymous and which are completely different animals. I can't. Caller: Oh yeah. Squam Lake: Home of mountain lions - Concord Monitor So before we get to the the the the stories of sightings we're getting a lot of calls. And sometimes I've seen pictures of those where it's the question is What is that is that a bobcat. He played a pivotal role and he battled for recognition. Patrick Tate: Yeah yeah. Ask Sam: Why Won't New Hampshire Admit There Are Mountain Lions Here Chapter X, Predators, Panther (Mountain Lion) From History of NH Game and Furbearers by Helenette Silver, Research Clerk, NH Fish and Game Dept. Well let's talk a little bit about that. Absolutely. These young males are tracking looking for mates and if they don't find a mate they just keep moving and moving and moving. And it was unmistakable. Residents Report Mountain Lion Sighting By Elysia Rodriguez Published August 11, 2015 A southern New Hampshire neighborhood believes a mountain lion is roaming the woods near their homes. Some are included in lists of mountains, such as the Appalachian Mountain Club (AMC) list of the Hundred Highest peaks of New England, or the . Patrick Tate: So it's very typical. The species that once inhabited the Northeast, known as the eastern mountain lion, is now extinct. It was in the spring flash kind of early summer and my wife looked at you look at the size of an adult bear and we were up in arms. I was a Bobcat we saw it and I have a picture of it. We're gonna talk about sightings in this part of the program as well we'd love to hear your story. m from a weed family Automotive on store Street in Concord is serving the Concord area families automotive needs since 1995. So now what's going on. A monthly donation of $5 makes a real difference. For all the men out there that don't realize it. Rick van de Poll: Well education is the real important thrust of of what all of us do as biologists and Game Managers and to make sure that a things like what Sam was saying that in spite of what you believe the mountain lions will not eat your children they will not steal your pets from your backyard and they will not necessarily be seen by you unless you're extremely lucky. Well they are the same. Does not test random Scouts. Do we have native species that could have exhibited this type of behavior leaving leaving a deer carcass up in a tree. Peter Biello: Well hey Rob. For over 38 years the Saddleback Mountain Lions have offered people a chance to give back to their community. We we hear that there is allegedly a government conspiracy to deny the existence of mountain lions here in New Hampshire so I guess a local government conspiracy. Pat do they typically just move around a lot. "Of those three to five reports,. Caller: And then there's the Lily Pond Road and then there's a six foot tall fence. 44-H Links. So. Having not found any evidence is not the same as saying there are no mountain lions, its the same as saying we dont know. Want to put this to to Patrick Tate who may have heard some some info or info from listeners like you about these these these cats. Thanks for taking my call. How to Report a Possible Mountain Lion Sighting. N.H.'s Fish and Game department says there's no proof mountain lions live in the state, yet residents from Bedford to Berlin have been reporting sightings for years. The trouble with accepting every reported sighting as a confirmed mountain lion is that there are so many mistaken identifications. Peter Biello: There have been several alleged sightings of mountain lions in New Hampshire recently. Rick van de Poll: Well a report that you know as John Harrigan up north has in co-ops County for about 15 years I kept track of reports and people would call me and tell me where they saw the mountain lion they thought they saw it and it varied right from you know downtown villages all the way to remote highlands of the North Country and and everywhere in between. That's the real story is they can't follow up on every one of these sightings. For instance, Floridas wildlife officials have a similar ghost cat: the black panther. Thanks very much. Over a period of a year and a half, this Mountain Lion left DNA evidence in at least four states. So. So one thing that I find fascinating about this Connecticut cat was six months between the New York situation where they found evidence of it too when it was hit by a motor vehicle. This is a machine-generated transcript, and may contain errors. Let's talk to Mike in Webster. And really whenever you hear tiny code and long rope like tale it's kind of hard to pin this sighting on any other creature rather than an outline or just nothing else really matches that description. Peter Biello: Well Mike thanks very much for sharing your story. It's good to talk to you. Patrick Tate: So I agree with what Sam said in part that their ability to go undetected for amount of time but ultimately it was detected. Thank you for visiting the New Hampshire Fish and Game Department website. Monadnock Ledger-Transcript - Claims of mountain lions spread From "History of New Hampshire Game and Furbearers" by Helenette Silver, Research Clerk, NH Fish and Game Dept. Well Is DNA the most reliable means we have of identifying whether or not what we saw is actually a mountain lion. Peter Biello: So Rick seems like you agree that the tail is a big giveaway whether or not it's a mountain lion Absolutely. About Us Media Kit Calendar of Events Volunteer Visit Learn Events Membership Support Your Visit BUY TICKETS Know Before You Go Directions and Information Our Animals Live Animal Exhibit Trail Hours and Admission Calendar of Events Somewhere the way they travel the things they do they're going to leave evidence. Through DNA they approximate area in the United States or North America where I was born. I just stood there just a second and I came to a complete stop and then I ran away. 1957. David Erler says some of them probably have. Wed love to be part of the first verified sighting. DNA from scat or from fur, a clear track that is confirmed by an expert, or a photo that clearly shows a mountain lion. List of Mountains in New Hampshire is a general list of mountains in New Hampshire, with elevation.This list includes many mountains in the White Mountains range that covers about a quarter of the state, as well as mountains outside of that range.. 8 9 2 6 4 7 7. I noticed it had a really big sweeping tail that kind of curled up behind it and all but still at that point because everyone says there's no mountain lions here. Patrick Tate: So the individuals can say that but for an agency that's based on science and what not to to go off with no evidence and then get into that giant debate and all these other issues and put credibility at risk I don't think that would be a great path to take.
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